Podcast

The Design of Business | The Business of Design: Audrey Gelman and Emily Oberman

In this podcast, designers Jessica Helfand and Michael Bierut explore how design works within complex organizations to shape decisions, ideas, products, and more. Guests include clients from many industries and designers in many fields. Recorded at the Yale School of Management.



Audrey Gelman is co-founder and CEO of The Wing, a social club and co-working space for women. Pentagram partner Emily Oberman worked on the brand identity.

Lecturer in the Practice of Design and Management

Lecturer in Design and Management